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Kantipur Bahas on Kantiur Television, hosted by Indra Lohani
Indra Lohani, lawyer by profession, is best known for his witty remarks and blunt questions. He started Bahas with Nepal Television more than two years ago. Following the Feb 01, 2005 coup he was taken off air, after which he brought the show to Kantipur last year.
The audio presented here is the recent interview with Dr Baburam Bhattarai, unofficial second-in-command, Nepal Communist Party (Maoists).
The show was broadcast at 9.00 PM, Saturday, on August 19, 2006, and was shot off-site at an undisclosed location.
Ever the cynic…it becomes you; although, if the proverbial “light at the end of the tunnel” continues to elude you, you sire, may be a little closer to being the much loved curmudgeonly character!
All in jest :-)
Kripaji,
Alas, what am I to do without you — I would be talking to a dry wall or a blank screen with ‘running pipes’ as screensaver. As for cynicism that galore in my writing, I still say — you never know — light at the end of the tunnel might be a huge freight train heading directly towards you! Then again, would I mind being your much loved ‘curmudgmisticated’ character at times more favorable, would I, heck no ma’m, count me in — where do I sign??
Anyway, before we make samudaya our personal playground with overtly dramatic innuendos, I would like to address few issues that seem to have ruffled feathers of some progressive peace doves.
As a disclaimer to my post above, it was a much ‘ill-humored’ proposition — I agree, not meant be taken with any amount of serious bias. Dr. Bhattarai is an intellectual, and more precisely, he is a Nepali intellectual who happens to hold views that we — those groomed under American education system find slightly ‘radical’. Personally, he holds tremendous command over his discipline, and to find a Nepali representing himself (and Nepal) in international arena, at the level where he operates (I don’t exactly know where but certainly way beyond I can see) is indeed a matter of some national dignity. Take it as Nepal’s answer to Noam Chomsky, if you will.
Further, from the interview it is very clear that Maoists do not stand for anything different than what is expected of government and society in the 21st century. Those who live elsewhere and enjoy the basic ‘freedoms and access’ need to realize that whether here or in Nepal, goals are one and the same — a prosperous, peaceful and plural society where people are not limited by their self-imposed dogma — whether socio-political or religio-ethnic.
However, it is also understandable that the process taken in obtaining such goals might differ between people of different political and social leanings and, with no amount of apology and enough dose of snobbery, I think the burden rests not on average citizen but on the Nepali intellectual class to sincerely help divert/shape people’s opinion to a particularly fruitful and rational end - in determining the best course of action, especially given certain socio-politico-economic realities of the country where, the intellectuals are more ‘in tune’ with than average citizens, me thinks.
Long live thy kingdom. Yearning to go for a date with Manushi babe. Must be some real hot stuff. Anybody has any pix of her?
Moving along to the “good” Dactaar Saab’s interview; must say that personally, I find his attempt to explain the paucity of actions taken by his revolutionary ilk towards the corruption fattened lot in KTM left a lot to be desired for; the statictics of the deceased shows that the brunt of the assault was at the expense of the very same “gareeb” that the good Dr. exalts..but, that’s politics I guess!
M’hacker, since you bring this up — what in particular do you believe the so-called intellegentsia of Nepal ought to do to bring about that fruitful and rational awakening? The reason I ask is because the rhetoric of the “civil” society folks has for a while now, been very much like that of Dr. Bhattarai and The Fierce One..from writing of other “progressive” folks in Nepal and beyond, they seem to have “lost” their non-party aligned credibility and in the absence of a neutral voice, what role should/could the Intellectuals play at this juncture?
And last but by no means the least; An entire paragraph addressed to me..aren’t I important:-)!The wit holds steadfast I see..which, much like your thougts on various subjects is cerebral! :-)..as for the “sign up” sheet..what can I say, much obliged to thee I am! :-)
Kripa,
Enough of fraternizing; let me get to the heart of the matter — I am dropping the suffix (Ji) from now on, under a bold assumption that we know of each other fairly well by now. Indeed, what can I say — you keep me engaged and focused (re’ kya!), and at the same time contribute to the (growing??) readership of loyal patrons who frequent here. Thus to devote an entire para addressed to you is only doing justice — the pleasure is all mine good lady. Actually, my fear — it might only get longer going forward.
Anyway, let me pick up from where I left the last time, which will subsequently touch upon your conundrum also: the role of intellectual class in creation of a ‘New Nepal’. Revisiting February 2005 — when we were much younger and you didn’t have wrinkles around your eyes; the reaction we saw from media, civil society and activist groups was praiseworthy. There was general sense of understanding and significance regarding things of important nature and how it was not to be pawned under any circumstances — whether under the pretense of fighting terrorism or keeping peace and stability in the kingdom.
However, like I said, that was then - when you were lot less cynical and I could run a mile under four. Post revolution, however, there is not much zeal towards preserving similar sentiments against the encroaching pseudo-political group and self-proclaimed vanguard of the people — the Maoists. Since April of this year, the country has been marching on the drumbeat of Maoists, as if they represent the cross-section of Nepali society, as if, what they have been advocating has all of a sudden begun to be accepted as the main line of political, social and economic thought that is to govern Nepal in the future. This is exactly what I find preposterous, blasphemous and intellectually disingenuous of — whom else: the media, civil society and activist groups, when they very much know how such is only an idealistic and romantic reaction to a dysfunctional Nepali social, political and economic reality.
In my opinion, it is very difficult to point specific set of issues we want the intelligentsia to address, or define a process by which they could shape general people’s opinion. However, to recap my rant — no matter how vague and raw, one of the first things the Nepali intelligentsia could do would be to stop being intellectually dishonest and face the brutal facts about people’s lack of trust with the Maoists. Second, these people need to accept that April revolution by no means ‘represented’ the genuine pulse of the country. Why you may ask: because it was NOT about the people; it was about those SPA leaders and the Maoists. Third, even so, the juncture we are in now is more crucial, and letting two groups — SPA and Maoists decide the fate of the country in absolute terms is only symptomatic of traditional Nepali political culture — without any hint of newness that define the ‘New Nepal’.
Thus, to be honest, I don’t really have answer to your HOW, but again, HOW public opinions get built/shaped — through media commentary, civil dissent, activism, mass rally and protests et al., I think. The only plausible way to a rational and fruitful outcome is to restrict disingenuous intellectuals, corrupt politicians and murderous rebels in highjacking people’s sentiment/mandate and treating them as fruits of their labor.
M’hacker,
As you often do, you raise some very valid points vis-a-vis the clamouring on the part of Nepali Intellegentsia and the “civil society” in particular to become, in essence, a mouthpiece for the Maoists.
I have been following the demands of the “civil society” and it struck me as brazen that for a while after the revolution, there were claims of victory being shouted from tree-tops and roof-tops as to how the civil society and the maoists were responsible for the throngs of people who descended on the streets of KTM and elsewhere…apparently,the people of Nepal were quite content living with the torture, killings etc of the maoists but for a sudden awakening!
In the aftermath of the revolution, the civil society and the media seem to be falling over themselves to give voice to the views of the dactaar’saab and the “fierce one” without so much as rational thought and debate as to the points they raise-e.g. the dissolution of parliament.
I have been trying to figure out why the Maoists are hell bent on dissolving parliament at this juncture- other than the possibility that an interim parliament will likely consist of nominated instead of elected officials; therefore, Maoists would have a 1/3rd representation; SPA a 1/3rd representation and the “civil society” which in recent months seems to have become a mouthpiece for the Maoists (complete with chants of “Down with American Imperialism” at their last mass rally in response to the American threat to suspend aid if Maoists were included in government)would also have a 1/3rd representation — thereby leaving the maoists with greater influence over an intermin parliament
As for the role of the rest of the Academicians and Nepali Intellectuals, I agree completely with what you say; however, even the “neutral” voices in Nepali politics have agenda’s of their own — I hate to be the cynic that I have morphed into of late, but, I don’t see any fruitful, rational awakening — not with the present Intellectual leadership anyway!
As to the death of the suffix — thank you..about time don’t you think? :-)!
Kripa,
Point noted, and a good one too — as always. But here’s what I really meant to say:
Oh no, nobody morphs into a cynic on my watch, NOBODY! Wake up sunny, and if you’re ever in the east coast, here’s my temporary cure to us old cynic expats — of fight club generation and our ‘know-it-all’ syndrome: a trip to a really goofy and corny Hollywood flick. May I suggest, in all barefaced sincerity, ‘Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story’, or or, ‘Soul Plane’ — with Snoop in the cockpit? Huh, huh??!!
At any rate, my input on Maoists’ excessive attempt to dissolve the parliament mainly supports this simple thesis: because the current parliament does not recognize them as a legitimate political party/player/power, hence allowing Maoists to have 1/3 nominated seats in the interim one instead — like you said, with which they intend to change the destiny of Nepal gives all the reason for them to dissolve the current one.
What else can the new left chant besides ‘down with American imperialism’? And mind you, just the other day USAID announced a packaged deal of $34.85 million for post-conflict reconstruction which the chanters will most likely and brazenly accept. Aren’t these the ‘disingenuous intellectuals’ we were basically talking about earlier?
If political sloganeering went through fashion cycles — this would be the second coming of belly bottomed pants and flashy shirts with hugely pointed collars!
M’hacker,
..A tad too late I’m afraid- the sarcasm was always a forte but the cynicism has been making steady gains in the expertise realm! :-); although, a dose of Snoop in the cockpit might be just what I need…mercifully you didn’t recomend something along the lines of “Deuce Bigalow (?) Male Gigolo”!! :-)
As far as the party politics in Nepal in concerned, wait and watch seems to be the only thing most can do at this juncture; I would love to belive that a dose of reality would prevail..but..cynicism reigns supreme- although, visions of a geriatric John Travolta (ala Girija bau in Bell-bottoms and hugely pointed collared shirts is an image I don’t think will be erased easily :-))
What a play-along you are Kripa. Take my advice - don’t be so hard on yourself. FYI people in other blogs actually think Nepal is spiraling out of control and degenerating into an abysmal anarchy, and there are cults elsewhere that still believe in flat earth. These people actually make us look like true believers.
Leaving you with a quote from ‘Dumb and Dumber’:
Lloyd: What’s the soup du jour?
Waiter: It’s the soup of the day.
Lloyd: Mmm… that does sound good.
Now, THAT is optimism!
“Play along”?..you are the quintessential sceptic sire :-)!
Your advice duly noted — I shall try adopt the same “rosy glasses” outlook of the Neo-Conservative cabbal and believe that Nepal will, in due time, become a beacon for a prosperous democracy (how’s that for optimism?! :-))
I must say, I am somewhat taken aback at the dearth of discourse of other “true” Samudayans on this topic (not that I mind the back and forth cerebral banter — it “keeps me engaged and focused” :-)..shameless pilfering I know…but..creativity in parlance is not a forte! :-)
duita ko bartalap sunda, sorry padhda, ramailai lagyo. dehrai the gajadi ko dimag le bujhena pani.
ani babu dai ko interview pani herna paiena. outerview yane ki photo matrai hereko. i find babudai ali chucho. kamal dai nai komal jasto lagyo. nam chai kasari prachanda bho kunni?
and whoever wrote the intro, lohani started bahas ali agadi dekhi nai. earlier he used to run jhagadiya karjekram. later he switched to political program but that too has been more than five years now.
aru ke bhanua? malai ta pradip giri ko kura man paryo. you can watch him at nepalnews/dishanirdesh. well, i don’t like the host pandey though.
pandey bhanda samjhe arko dr. pande lai. hamro kripa ra hacker lai civil society ko chinta parechha. don’t worry. they are on right track so far. they have been a bit more reactive and bit more suspicious. i think what they have to do is to spend some energy in discussing the current political impasse and finding a more favouralbe way forward. they also have to be proactive in doing this. i think these politicians are also like kuhira ko kag. they are just like everyone of us. and besides they have their political baggage which also hinders them to look beyond their nose. in such a scenario, intelligentsia has to come forward. but alas, most of them are reactive, willing to comment on what others say but never ever ready to come forward with their own ideas.
chhya, k k bho. kk. will be back after a chilim. ciao.
Hail democracy. Hail Kul Chandra (the UN man??!!, Murari >>> Of course long live :::::
Dear Indra Lohani jee,
Good interview! however, few questions are still not answered correctly by Dr Saab. Have you read a famous book by George Orwell titled as “the animal farm”? I wish you could refer scenario from this book and ask question to any communist leader that what is the pertinent difference between pigs of animal farm and so called communist leaders of present world. What I want to say is that once power is in hand of a communist leader, there will be anarchism and authoritarian rule will be imposed. I am a not a political pundit, but I have doubt that the total freedom as said by Dr Baburam is not possible in Maobadi Raj.
Thank you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
George Orwell’s ‘Everybody is equal but some are more equal than others’-
Keep on rocking, baby.
Dreaming of Manushi babe. Daydreamin’ anna thinking of you.
Hence the questions arise: How could the limited bourgeois democratic system be abolished? Should not the wheel of history move forward rather than backward? For the correct answers to these questions, one has to grasp the laws of social development in a scientific and objective manner and to correctly evaluate the weaknesses and limitations of the chronically infirm parliamentary system.
Firstly, it should be acknowledged that struggle between social classes provides the basic motive forces of societal development. The present Nepalese society in a semi-feudal and semi-colonial stage is a multi-class society, and the principal struggle there is among the feudal, the bourgeois and the proletarian classes. All the three principle contending classes have their allies, too. The traditionally dominant feudal class has the comprador and bureaucratic bourgeoisie with it; the small and weak bourgeois class has a section of the rural and urban petty-bourgeois class with it; and the proletariat has the vast number of poor peasants and semi-proletariat with it. This basically triangular class contention is increasingly turning into a bi-polar contention after the initiation and development of revolutionary People’s War under the leadership of the proletariat since 1996. In other words, according to the law of class struggle and social development , the parasitic reactionary classes are polarized on one side under the leadership of the most capable and strong class among themselves, and on the other side are rallied the working and the progressive classes under the leadership of the most advanced class, the proletariat. The prevailing system representing the feudal and comprador and bureaucratic bourgeois classes is historically the strongest representative of the reactionary classes in Nepal. The regressive march of the reactionary classes in opposition to the progressive march of the working classes is perfectly in keeping with the dialectical law of social development.
Secondly, viewing from a further political angle, it should be acknowledged that the inherent defects and weaknesses of the bourgeois parliamentary democracy and the general infirmity and incapacity of the middle strata and forces also provided an objective basis for the ultimate feudal autocratic regression.
LONG LIVE PEOPLES’ WAR IN NEPAL!
LONG LIVE THE STRATEGIC OFFENSIVE OF PEOPLES’ WAR TILL TO FINAL VICTORY!
LONG LIVE THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF NEPAL (MAOIST) AND PRACHANDA PATH AS ITS GUIDE!
With my due respect to LLTVOPW,
I am been following your comments for a while now, along with samudaya. You have a habit of writing these “purans” ,which nobody reads. Neither I have seen you writing on the topics discussed along the thread; nor you give any credible points or tenable examples to justify your prolong speeches.
Just as a typical communist, you actually portray the whole civil world as fudeual and corrupted, but, your writings, always lacks that vital point to give merit to the doctrine which you follow.
I hope, from next time, you would probably stick with the topic as oppose to these long prose. Mere claims and the fake resolutions won’t help the cause.
BTW… do anyone knows, how many writings he has??? they all seems same:). Seems like with copy-paste antics:)
I would request the readers to pardon my grammatical error. TY
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My Dear Babu:
I was just reminiscing about Saturday evening; or whenever it was that I interviewed you, it was such a perfect night. The subtle breeze — on top of some trashy Rolpa village made me shiver from time to time, but I’m so glad your brainwashed cadres had a table for us outside. What a wonderful way to spend a post-revolution summer evening.
Sitting across the table from you, listening to your fascinating stories of your childhood days in Gorkha and then your testosterone filled JNU days, I was mesmerized. You’re so passionate and intense when you speak of the things you love - I find that so attractive.
The raksi you selected was perfect. Sipping it from the bhatti glass enhanced the taste and it warmed my body — all the way down to my crotch, as it filled up my insides with intense desire to pee later on. Dinner was sumptuous. The gai-ko-masu was so flavorful; I savored every bite, sucking each haddi slowly through my pursed lips as I listened to you speak. It was a luscious meal, and you were a delicious date.
I loved it after dinner when we sat there gazing into each other’s eyes sipping the gurungni prepared raksi. After each sip, the subtle taste of raksi lingered on my lips, and I licked them so slowly, catching every last drop. And when you touched my lip with your finger, capturing that one drop of raksi that I missed, and then I licked your finger, a tingling sensation flooded my entire body. I couldn’t resist the temptation to hold you tight and suck the hell out of you — suck your lips I mean.
After dinner, as we walked along the sidewalk hand-in-hand, I realized just how much I love being with you, sharing a meal with you, talking with you, and being a part of your life. What a blow will it be when Hisila finds out about us, but you should not worry too much, she is too swept away by the ‘revolution’ thing, which tells me that she will pick herself up and continue in due time.
Finally, don’t be too concerned about beatiful Manushi either; I have a perfect guy in sight for her — Mystichacker of Samudaya.org. He is the killa dog!
Love and affection,
Indra Lohani
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Alrite, on a much serious note, please continue with the rebuttal on Babudai’s interview. Seriously!