Dhat, sambidhan sava garna teti sajilo chha Roka Ji? Yo tapai ko JNU ma Phd thesis lekheko hoina. Party haru lai aafno kaam garna dinus, Maobaadi lai bolae pachhi tapai le kaarauna ‘appropriate’ hunchha, aahile hoina!

there are two more speeches to be posted, don’t lose your patience just yet.

Sarahana where is that article that had like 239 comments? I forgot the title…

bhudai
it was about the spanish king and probably the center piece of the site. sarahana, it is simply not fair and ‘democratic’!

sarahana
sorry, it’s on the update column. many thanks, indeed!

“It’s surprising that the UML is not respected. We have contributed in larger measure. For example, out of 19 dead, 11 belonged to our party,” Keshav Badal, UML senior leader, said.

hmmmm….is it only me that finds this completely absurd?

welcome back to the party politics of the ’90s …

I worry for the politicians when they come out with crap like that.

Thanks, to audio & video.

Ian do you understand nepali well? i mean bhasan and or formal nepal?

New revolution is needed.

All Nepalis have risen for what? For a democratic republic: 80 per cent of Nepalis demand a new future, and Naryanhiti has to be bent. Foreign powers say you need monarchy. We are so strong, we do not need to listen to them. We will not seat quietly. We are not just going for republic, but for a revolutionary transformation of Nepal.

Lal salaam Hari comrade!

exactly! this is what I have been saying all along. this is your ultimate goal

It’s a picture perfect repeat from mao’s red book: “associate with the weaker enemy to finish off the bigger one….”. we are still in Act I

Pradip,

Thats true but the Nepali version of Maoism is in fact ideologically inconsistent and it remains to be seen what they stand for.

Fellow commentators have spoken about the Maoists addressing all sorts of social evils (caste discrimination, gender inequality etc..) but the reality is somewhat different because despite their vocal support for these ideals, they have not always been implemented. Whilst reports have shown that many girls are treated as second class citizens within the PLA and children are often used as porters for weapons in conflict zones.

I would say that Prachandapath has more in common with the political theory of Machiavelli than Mao because there is an element of amoral pragmatism. For instance, they want a republic but at times have strongly hinted that they would be prepared to accept a titular monarch. Or, they are willing to accept the democratic system and change it from within.

Ian
Yes, there are signs of cunning, duplicity and the desire to grasp and retain power regardless of the means used, associated with machiavelli, in prachanda

Ian
a little more about machiavelli (The Prince 1532)
he wrote:
“the main foundations of every state… are good laws and good arms… you cannot have good laws without good arms, and where there are good arms, good laws inevitably follows”
he questioned: is it better to be loved than hated? he went for the second. he said FEAR is much safer than love

Yes, I agree. I love ‘The Prince’it was one of my favourite reading material whilst studying politics. Its astonishing how the basic principles of his political theory are still relevent today.

I think, though, the ideological inconsistencies of Nepali Maoism is favourable to a peaceful resolution on the premise that the ideological consistency required for Maoism does not allow for the sort of ‘negotiation’ we are currently seeing in Nepal today.

There is an attempt by some commentators to portray a romantic picture of Maoism as politically altruisitic and representing a popular majority outside the Kathmandu Valley. This is just delusion and wishful thinking on their part. The reality is harsh, brutal and oppressive for those who actively engage or a coerced into the political power of the Maoist movement. Sure, they are human beings but let us judge by their ‘actions’ and not their ‘words’.

Presently, the actions of the Maoists is favourable towards dialogue, negotiation and peace but I would urge caution here because the Maoists are not known for their political consistency. E.g. they have announced a 3 month ceasefire yet they continue to kill, torture and injure people in the name of the ‘peoples movement’

So let us be balanced in our attempt to understand the situation and remove our emotive, romantic ideas about the Maoists as a positive force for change.

absolutely correct! you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
now, during the evolution of the spam agreement, there were rumours that the cpn-uml had done a secret agreement with the maoists. if this rumour has substance, then there is a possibility that the cpn-uml could merge with with the maoists in the long run. Should this be the case, it would not take a genius to figure out the outcome

What elementary analysis on Machiavelli and ‘The Prince’ we find here between two sophomoric individuals. Worse is the saturated rhetoric and demented speculation of Maoism. The use of force to achieve goals is not only fundamental tactic of nations portrayed ‘evil’ but remained an indispensible part of colonizers then and continue to play vital role in modern politics now, as seen by recent introduction of American war strategy of ‘preemption’, kindly followed by its most loyal dog, the United Kingdom.

And you want Maoists to lay arms and simply ‘go away’? Wishful thinking of naive observers.

Comrade Hacker,

Sorry, no time for your drivel today, come back to me when you have a credible point to contend.

Thank you.

Go play with your school buddy, I leave you alone. Tell him stories about Machiavelli and medieval Europe and draw parallel to your own self-constructed idea of people’s revolution in Nepal.

comrade m
latest release from Forbes: castro is worth 900 million us $

Again, just for the record, regarding the introduction:
“Roka is currently a Ph.D. at Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi, and has been a political activist for 28 years. He has also been a columnist with Kantipur daily and Nepal magazine, and is a member of Loktantraka laagi Ganatantrik Morcha, a Delhi-based front of immigrant Nepali organizations and individuals based in India.”
1. Hari Roka is pursuing a PhD in JNU, he is not “a Ph.D…”
2. The English name of the front in Delhi that Hari Roka has been a part of is the Anti-Monarchy United Democratic Front (Bharat). It consists of “Nepali migrant worker organizations” (not immigrant Nepali organizations) and three individuals. These are:
Organizations
1. Nepali Janadhikar Suraksha Samhiti
2. Pravasi Nepali Sangh (Bharat)
3. Nepali Jansampark Samhiti
4. Nepali Loktantrik Andolan Sahayog Samhiti
5. Nepali Jankalyan Samhiti
6. Nepal Tarai Democratic Front
7. Akhil Pravasi Sangh
Individuals
8. Hari Roka, independent left
9. Shailesh Acharya, editor Loktantra
10. Dinesh Prasain, human rights activist

I see you are seriously hung up on semantics of language used on Samudaya. Thank you for pointing out the difference between a rather popular expression of ‘Roka is a PhD at JNU’ and ‘Roka is pursuing a Phd at JNU’. While former is a little vague, it nevertheless does not preclude Roka form being either — as one holding a PhD from JNU or one in the process of obtaining one such piece of paper. Geeeezzz!

Again, ‘migrant’ is (frequently used) as a much generalized adjective that refers or describes a generalized noun called ‘immigrant’. I see no particular reason to use one or the other unless, the term ‘migrant’ itself signifies certain ‘types’ of immigrants only. Semantics galore!

mystic,
what are you a stuck up ass? Samudaya and Sahara both have faults, everybody knows it with clarity. so stop trying to justify “stupidness”, you just look more stupid.

Recorder,
as a regular samudaya visitor I would like to thank you for clearing things out. and indeed, “is a PHD” and “pursing a PHD” has whole two world of meanings.

“Migrant worker organisations” is how they describe themselves. Hence the correction. Calling someone by their prefered name is not semantic quibble.

“Is a PhD” implies to my untutored mind a doctorate, someone who has earned the degree.

Readers give suggestions to improve the editorial standards of what they read, not to put down, or to simply split hair.

Take it in that spirit, Mystichacker, and maybe then you won’t feel like pulling out your sword to protect samudaya and Sarhana on every trifling issue.

RE: 25

No, are you? Same could be said of you ‘ass!’, first, it’s not Sahara (while we are at calling people by their preferred name), it is Sarahana, get that right for once! Second, while people are not perfect, understandably, calling the process of discussion ‘stupid’ only leads to unnecessary assumptions. Thus, in fear of ‘looking stupid’, I’d like to shut up now.

RE: 26

The ‘editorial standards’ are set by people who slog on this site and not by some random visitors who get stuck with ‘trifling errors’, and that also invariably on semantics. While I thank you for pointing out such minute ‘errors’, I sincerely hope such is indeed done in the spirit you advise me to accept with. For clarity’s sake, there is no need to ‘pull out sword’ to protect neither Samudaya nor Sarahana, they are quite capable of doing so themselves.

So and so is a PhD at such and such can ALSO be a ‘popular’ way of saying he or she is engaged in the process of obtaining aPhD, I think. If not, so be it.