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“No human is illegal”: The fight against anti-immigration legislation
On December 2005, the House of Representatives passed the Border Protection, Antiterrorism and Illegal Immigration Act (H.R. 4437), sponsored by Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) and Peter T. King (R-N.Y.). Supported by Republicans, this bill is opposed by many who consider it one of the most anti-immigrant bills in recent memory, with provisions that would criminalize approximately 11 million undocumented workers. In addition, it would also criminalize those who assist or work with undocumented workers including social workers, teachers, medical personnel, union workers, clergy and family members. The bill also calls for the construction of 700 miles of fencing along the Mexican border. Opponents point out that the bill focuses on enforcement, providing no path to legalization. Since local and state police would be deputized to arrest anyone they think may be without documents, opponents of the bill worry about increased racial profiling.
On March 7th, the National Immigration Coalition, a coalition of 40 faith, labor, business and community based organizations from Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C., organized a demonstration outside the U.S. Capitol in Washington D.C. to protest anti-immigration legislation. The rally coincided with the Senate Judiciary Committee's session to consider the "compromise bill" proposed by Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA) which, while providing for "earned legalization", still includes provisions from H.R. 4437 for criminalizing 11 million undocumented immigrants as well as those who assist them by classifying them as human traffickers. Moreover, the bill also proposes a temporary "guestworker" program. This would temporarily legalize the status of undocumented workers for three years; after this period, workers would be able to apply for a further three year extension after which they would be required to return to their home countries. This program has drawn criticism from both sides. Those advocating tighter immigration controls consider it wrong to award legal status to those who have entered the country illegally. Pro-immigration groups do not think this program provides an adequate path to gaining permanent citizenship. Other issues also come up—for example, this type of program would give all the power to employers, creating more opportunities for abuse of workers.
Proponents of this kind of harsh legislation believe that it works in the interest of protecting the United States from terrorists by strengthening the country's borders, over which an estimated 1 million immigrants illegally pass. Another concern of anti-immigration groups is the job security of American citizens. It is claimed that the American worker is losing out because companies prefer to use cheap immigrant labour; this "insourcing" exacerbates the economic plight of workers already affected by other practices such as outsourcing. The anti-immigrant sentiments of some of these groups are unambiguous. The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), for example, encourages citizens to report suspicions of "illegal immigration" and lists the phone numbers of local immigration offices across the country on their website. Others like The Minuteman Project—the so-called neighbourhood watchdog group that voluntarily patrols the borders for "suspicious" crossings—refer to undocumented immigrants as "mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across U.S. border", among other colourful characterizations. Some of these groups, together with radio talk show hosts are launching a lobbying effort "Save the American Worker Week" on March 20th to try and influence the Senate vote on these issues.
Luna Ranjit from Adhikaar, a Nepali group working for immigration rights among other issues, attended the rally in Washington D.C. She answered some of our questions regarding the immigration issue and its significance for Nepalis living in the United States.
How many Nepali immigrants are there in the United States and what is the distribution throughout the country? Is there some place where this information can be found?
LR: Unfortunately, there is no reliable data about the numbers or distribution. I've asked the consulate here, but the person I spoke with there did not know. The last census conducted in 2000 lists 11,715 people of Nepali origin. But, the unofficial estimate is around 100,000 Nepalis living in the United States, with around 30,000 in the greater New York area.
How many Nepalis would be affected by these types of anti-immigration legislation and what demographics?
LR: Again, no reliable data exists. In some parts, the numbers are higher. In the New York area, more than 50 percent are estimated to be undocumented—people who have overstayed their visas, mostly tourist visas, but some students as well. Also, in terms of socio-economic status, there are more working class, newer immigrants in the New York area. But the proposed legislation is going to affect us all in one way or another.
What groups other than Adhikaar are working for immigration rights? Also, please tell us something about Adhikaar.
LR: I do not know of any other Nepali groups working on immigration rights issues. There are some Nepali individuals. One person I know is Rajani Adhikary, who works at the Restaurants Opportunities Center of New York. I have heard that there is another organization in the LA area, but I do not yet have the contact information.
Adhikaar was started last year to address the needs of Nepali communities everywhere, but our focus is in the United States right now. It is a women-led organization—all board members are women. We made a conscious decision to make it so, because almost all the Nepali organizations we know are male-dominated, and have male leaders. Most are almost exclusively male. Programmatically, we focus on immigration, health, and women's rights. But right now, most of our work is on immigration rights. As I mentioned before, there is very little reliable information about who's here, what's their status, and what they are doing. So, right now Adhikaar is also conducting a survey of Nepalis in the NY/NJ area. It's a slow process because we are not known yet, and people are reluctant to give out information.
Tell us about the rally in D.C. Did a lot of Nepalis attend? I am not finding that much information about immigration issues pertaining to Nepalis specifically; are there any important issues that might not be immediately obvious?
There were 40,000 people at the D.C. rally. As far as I know, only two Nepalis attended—me and Rajani Adhikary. But I didn't go around looking for Nepalis, so I can't say for sure. Also the rally was organized by mostly Hispanic groups, and there were few Asians of any descent. Both of us went as a part of the Immigrant Communities in Action, a multi-ethnic coalition of immigrant organizations in New York.
The current proposed legislations make things tougher for all immigrants, documented or not. For Nepalis, it is probably of importance that even those who are on F-1 and cannot take a full load (of coursework) or those who are on H1B who lose their jobs but cannot find another immediately can also be deported. The senate judiciary committee is still debating—they're in recess the week of March 20th, so none of this is official law yet. But the way things are going, it is very likely that many anti-immigrant provisions will pass.
Why don't we hear talk about immigration issues among Nepalis? How much of a taboo is it to talk about one's "illegal" status?
My take on why we don't talk about immigration issues is that most of us are first generation immigrants, and still think that we are here temporarily. Most of us talk about going back to Nepal soon/in the near future/some day, even though many of us are starting families here and will probably never go back to live in Nepal. The political and economic situation in Nepal also makes it tougher for people to go back. Since we feel that we are here temporarily, we are less willing to get involved with local issues. I've had this conversation with many Nepalis even those who have green cards or citizenships—their reaction is "why bother" or "it's not our country" or "I'm not a citizen, so I don't have any right to speak"—I also think it's a matter of time. Once we have a critical mass and/or once we have second generation of Nepalis in large enough number, we too will get involved. We work here and pay taxes, we spend our most productive years here. We should also be talking about our rights here. As for people talking about their status, most people I have spoken to have freely talked about their immigration status.
Further information:
Immigrant Communities in Action is organizing "An Urgent Immigrant Community Dialogue with Elected Officials" on Saturday, March 25th, from 1pm to 4pm at P.S. 212 at 34-25 82nd Street, Jackson Heights,
Queens. Call DRUM at (718) 205-3036 or email monami@drumnation.org for details.
Adhikaar's website is www.adhikaar.org
Download Adhikaar's newsletter here
Restaurant Opportunities Center of New York's website is www.rocny.org
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The immigration reform bill as it currently stands is preposterous. The U.S has a long history of building fences along the Mexican border and all that results is the deaths of more migrants who find even more trecherous routes for entry into the U.S(this has been particularly true along the border states of Arizona and Texas)
While some believe that we ought not encourage “illegal immigration”, the debate necessarily has to be different when framed in the context of America: “the land of immigrants”.
Having a guest worker program suits the business interests very well and little wonder then that this GOP administration is going overboard in trying to present that in the manner it believes will be most palatable to the populace.
Cheap labour has always been the primary reason for the increasing number of border crossings and having a Guest Worker Program allows business to benefit by having a steady stream of cheap labour while simultaneously providing very little by way of benefits to those that contribute to the growth of the U.S economy.
The likes of Fox News and Lou Dobbs who constantly frame the lack of jobs for the American Workers with the rising tide of businesses that are outsourcing and the rising competition for the same jobs by immigrants adds to this very myopic view of the issue.
The issue I believe, is more about what the government needs to do to ensure that American workers have access to job training skills and less about the rising number of immigrants.
The GOP cannot continue to cut funds to all sorts of programs in order to pay for the misguided war and then blame immigrants when workers without skills or with limited skills are left behind in the worforce.
I doubt the bill is going to pass, else who the hell is going to cook burgers for their drunk and high kids, who’s gona do their landscaping in the summer, and in ny (and elsewhere), who the hell is going to support the hospitality, agriculture, construction, slave-labor industries.
Have no fear, Rajani and Kripa are here.
I wonder how many Americans Nepal has allowed to become citizens? I wonder how many Americans are living there?
Oh, that’s right - who the hell would want to live in Nepal.
The issue I believe, is more about what the government needs to do to ensure that American workers have access to job training skills and less about the rising number of immigrants.
No. For those of us who oppose massive immigration the issue is about not allowing America, our home, to turn into an overcrowded wasteland like so many other countries in the world - CHina, India, you name it. We want our children and our grandchildren to be able to live in a beautiful country with plenty of natural resources to enjoy.
At present the US is on track to reach 500 million people by the middle of this century. Currently there are 300 million. The huge effects this increase will have on the quality of life, the environment, and income distribution are unacceptable.
We have a right to oppose such massive immigration without being called racists, xenophobes and nativists.
And again I ask: how much immigration is Nepal allowing? Because it’s hypocritical to demand that Americans allow immigration into their country while you don’t allow it into yours.
Several Americans are living there for whatever reason. Of course you didn’t know that.
“Several”? What, like 5?
I did know that. That isn’t the point. Compare “several” to 35 million - the number of immigrants living here (not counting their US-born children).
Oh, and compare “living there” to being a citizen there. How many of the Americans living there have the rights of citizens?
My friend has a shirt with an image of Native Americans with guns. It reads, “Homeland Security.”
That is all I have to add to this discussion.
Yes. I’ve seen the shirt; been tempted to but it, even. I don’t want done to my children what my ancestors did to Native Americans.
Sarahana- I think you kicked American in the cul de sac. Ouch! Funny, though.
Okay. In that case, you will have served a better purpose by going to an American blog. This one is read only by us, Nepalis, young and useless, too busy working $6/hour. So this blog will make no difference to your bill. Thank you and nice meeting you. Good bye.
That is all I have to add to this discussion.
Yes, I’m sure it is. Because you’d lose a debate on the merits.
Defeat accepted. Good bye.
Ha ha what merit when the Americans clearly lobby other countries to open their markets so that they can sell their cheaply (immigrant) produced goods and make shitload of profits. American can use all the false logic he wants (such as ‘Yes. I’ve seen the shirt; been tempted to but it, even. I don’t want done to my children what my ancestors did to Native Americans.’), this Sensenburner or whatever the fuck his name is just a paranoid redneck at the end of the day. Forget it, these politicians have no control over big corporations, and this bill is a direct threat to the shareholders, more so than immigrants themselves.
American:
Compare “several” to 35 million - the number of immigrants living here (not counting their US-born children).
Just who do you think runs the American economy? You want to have the cake and eat it too. Well you cannot have it both ways.
American,
you seem to very conveniently forget a few key points:
1. As previosuly alluded to, the demand for cheap labour (“the Walmartization” of America) is what lies at the heart of the immigration reform movement.
2. Pertaining to Natural resources: I fail to understand why the rising rates of immigration bothers you about the depletion of Natural resources yet, you say nothing about the Bush government policies of you name it: drilling in Alaska, paving additional routes for mass scale logging, cutting the budget of organizations that preserve the wetlands etc.
Last but by no means the least. Your views that allowing immigrants into the U.S will cause it become a “wasteland” is grotesque to say the least. Let’s not forget that it was the same immigrants (Chinese) who were brought to build railways, South Asian farmers who were brought to till the fields and now Latino/Hispanic workers who are brought to perform all manner of jobs.
Just who do you think runs the American economy? You want to have the cake and eat it too. Well you cannot have it both ways.
People who work. Anyone who works. I work. My family members work. My friends work. What is grotesque is to claim that native-born Americans don’t work. I can remember when all these jobs done by immigrants were done by native-born Americans.
2. Pertaining to Natural resources: I fail to understand why the rising rates of immigration bothers you about the depletion of Natural resources yet, you say nothing about the Bush government policies of you name it: drilling in Alaska, paving additional routes for mass scale logging, cutting the budget of organizations that preserve the wetlands etc.
There is cause and effect. This country’s increasing need for lumber and oil is directly related to population increase. I did not say I favor the Bush Admin’s policies on anything. Loss of animal habitat (including wetlands) is also related to population increase and sprawl.
Last but by no means the least. Your views that allowing immigrants into the U.S will cause it become a “wasteland” is grotesque to say the least.
Why grotesque? In the West we live or die by the amount of water that’s available to use. In dry years that can already be pretty tight. How will it be when there are 200 million more people drawing from that water?
Let’s not forget that it was the same immigrants (Chinese) who were brought to build railways, South Asian farmers who were brought to till the fields and now Latino/Hispanic workers who are brought to perform all manner of jobs.
“The same” immigrants? No, different immigrants. The Chinese immigrants who helped build the railroads (the vast majority of railroad builders were not Chinese) are the ancestors of Americans. Modern immigrants from wherever they come did not “build the railroads.”
South Asian farmers tilled some fields - mostly the sugar cane fields in Hawaii.
You miss the point. I believe this is called stereotyping. I don’t want immigrants doing this work. I want Americans doing it. The reason why you allegedly make $6 an hour is because labor has no bargaining power in this country, precisely because of our immigration policies. The result is that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
Yes, Wal-Mart and other corporations are greedy. It is these businesses I dislike, not the immigrants. It is the negative effects of immigration I dislike, not the immigrants.
Amrikane
Don’t rollover with your false pretense AGAIN. You have clearly put your points against immigrants in your previous posts. Now that we bring up the corporation agenda, you want to be a White Knight of the laborers, all of a sudden. You are one sleazy chameleon.
Let me be more specific: you seem to claim that because “immigrants” built America, therefore “immigrants” have a greater entitlement to this country than natives.
The problem with that argument is that the “immigrants” who built this country are the ancestors of modern Americans, not of modern immigrants from China, Mexico, Nepal, or England.
Immigrant = Non-natives. ANY group or race, whoever participated then and do now ARE immigrants. Don’t try to redefine socio-economic group as per YOUR biased understanding.
Mystichaker,
No, my earlier point was that everyone seems to expect that America open wide its doors to everyone from everywhere, while all these other countries wouldn’t do it for us.
Could I become a citizen of Nepal? Or India? Or Japan? Or Mexico? Would they let me live there illegally as easily as foreigners live in this country illegally?
No, immigrant = person. A specific person. Those immigrants who helped to build this country are the ancestors of Americans, not “immigrants.”
I should remind you that this country has had periods of little immigration, and the economy did just fine. Things got built. Things got made. Work got done.
Yes they do, and they equally sacrifice a damn LOT for what they contribute to YOUR damn country. Generations change, families are torn and other nagative effects of immigration is clearly felt on the other side also, not only in some lame ass Arizona town. Don’t be ridiculous, no one expects Bush country to open its arms, but decent people expect people who slave their way $6 in a Mac shop to at least be able to function freely, without the fear of getting pulled over and deported.
All those countries never touted on importing immigrants to build railroads and bridges, slave people on sugar and tobacco plantation. They had no need of immigrants then, hence no need now. Their policies are consistent.
American:
“Would they let me live there illegally as easily as foreigners live in this country illegally?”
Foreginers living here illegally do all the dirty jobs. These souls work below minimum wage and live in horrendous conditions. However, the authoritites look the other way because many corporations need the cheap labor to the dirty jobs. I am not sure if you are aware of who works in the meat packaging industry in the midwest. Well one of the jobs in the factory involves killing the animal by slitting its throat so that you can go to your drive through McDonalds and grab a Happy Meal. Who do you think works these jobs? It is often the illegal hispanic immigrant who works for below minimum wage and gets no health care benefits or any other benefits for that matter. There are countless industies in the US that are run by such people. You don’t think the US authorities are aware of where to bust the illegal immigrants? Of course they do but they look the other way. So you should not apeak as if the US is a huge charitable organization.
Again the fact remains that the Americans are not going to do these jobs you say they will. If they do business are going to have to increase their prices to stay competitve. And is the American consumer willing to pay more or buy less??? I think not.
Yes they do, and they equally sacrifice a damn LOT for what they contribute to YOUR damn country.
They’re not doing it for “my damn country!” They’re doing it for a paycheck. Because they can make more money and live better here than they can in their own country. Don’t pretend like they all came here on some mercy mission to make this country better. No one’s buying that.
Generations change, families are torn and other nagative effects of immigration is clearly felt on the other side also, not only in some lame ass Arizona town.
I didn’t ask them to leave their families. I don’t want them to leave their families.
Don’t be ridiculous, no one expects Bush country to open its arms, but decent people expect people who slave their way $6 in a Mac shop to at least be able to function freely, without the fear of getting pulled over and deported.
They can function freely in their own, legal country. They (allegedly) live in fear because they came here illegally.
(Live in fear, right! They send their children to school, go to hospitals when they need medicine, call the ambulance when they have an accident all without any fear whatsoever.)
All those countries never touted on importing immigrants to build railroads and bridges, slave people on sugar and tobacco plantation. They had no need of immigrants then, hence no need now. Their policies are consistent.
So therefore we have to keep our doors wide open from now to the end of time?
Except for the slaves (whose descendants are in no rush to move to Africa) all those immigrants came here willingly.
“Don’t pretend like they all came here on some mercy mission to make this country better. No one’s buying that.”
In that case American you should not act if this country is a mercy center either. You should admit that the relationship is symbiotic with the bebefits going dispopotionatly to people like us.
Foreginers living here illegally do all the dirty jobs. These souls work below minimum wage and live in horrendous conditions. However, the authoritites look the other way because many corporations need the cheap labor to the dirty jobs.
Precisely. It is the corporations that want them here, because they can pay them less and keep the profits for themselves.
I am not sure if you are aware of who works in the meat packaging industry in the midwest…Who do you think works these jobs? It is often the illegal hispanic immigrant who works for below minimum wage and gets no health care benefits or any other benefits for that matter.
I am well aware of who works in the meatpacking industry. I am also well aware of who used to work in the meatpacking industry. Those jobs used to be good-paying, unionized jobs, until companies started hiring illegal aliens who had no bargaining power. Now the injury rates on these jobs have soared and the wages have fallen by half. And beef and chicken and pork were all still quite affordable back when Americans were doing them.
There are countless industies in the US that are run by such people. You don’t think the US authorities are aware of where to bust the illegal immigrants? Of course they do but they look the other way. So you should not apeak as if the US is a huge charitable organization.
Explain to me: you want the US to bust these people or you don’t? I’ve been consistent: I want them gone. Yes, some Americans want them here - mostly rich, greedy businessmen.
Again the fact remains that the Americans are not going to do these jobs you say they will.
But Americans have done them before, and in living memory. I can remember when construction workers and meat packers and janitors and burger flippers were all Americans. I’ve worked some of these jobs before.
If they do business are going to have to increase their prices to stay competitve. And is the American consumer willing to pay more or buy less?
Businesses will have to reduce their profits and increase their pay, which is precisely the goal.
One of the reasons Americans have abandoned these jobs is because they’ve been taken over by illegal immigrants. Once that happens the pay falls, the work conditions deteriorate, and people know, instinctively, that there’s no future in such a job.
Of course, with citizens like you we can hardly say people come here willingly to make a buck.
Clearly, your last sentence gives away your sentiment not only regarding immigrants but the slaves who your white ancestors chained and slogged on the plantation. Whose descendants are in no rush? Goodness American, if it were upto you, you would perhaps charter boats and send them blackies down from where they came from.
Do whatever, immigrants are here to stay. You feel threatened because immigrants cover not only sub-labor markets but high-tech, hi-finance and other major industries. If you are concerned about your kids not being victimized in the same way your ancestors did to the Natives and Africans, I suggest you start sucking up to rich Americans. Else dumb ass Americans are history.
Immigrants are here to stay. Go around the forum and debate all you want. You have NO argument besides ‘I want them gone’. They have no argument besides ‘Hell no’. Deport them at your expense.
My white ancestors were hard-working farmers. They started in New England and moved into the Midwest. They didn’t use slaves.
Immigrants may be here to stay, or maybe not. Those who came here legally are more than welcome to stay. I don’t want them deported. I want the illegals deported, and I want our current levels of immigration reduced.
You can assume that I’m racist, that I feel threatened, that I’m lazy or drunk and high or a dumb ass. I am none of those.
You have NO argument besides ‘I want them gone’. They have no argument besides ‘Hell no’. Deport them at your expense.
No, I made plenty of arguments about why I want them gone. Plenty of reasonable arguments backed up by facts. Deport them at my expense? Well, I’m willing to spend money on lots of things that I like. And a less-crowded country without so much poverty is one of those things I’m willing to pay for.
Ha they didn’t use slaves, and New England abolished slavery when, circa 1790?? Fine, so they killed the buffalos and the Sioux Indians by hoardes then huh??
There is only one law in this country, only one obligation for its citizen. And that is their obligation to the law. There is no social obligation, there is no economic nor moral obligation. No wonder Americans had to do a hell a lot of soul-searching post 911.
Let’s kill this here. You DON’t have any argument besides ‘I want them gone’. Don’t pretend to have points that you don’t. Your pro-labor and pro-higher wages push is fundamentally flawed in economic sense. Perhaps we can discuss about that some other time. It’s damn late.
Accept it. US is in deep deficit. The only way the government can raise money to deport immigrants is if they tax the hell out of people like you. And we know how Americans react to tax increases. So, even from middle-class American POV this bill is a dead bill.
Accept it. US is in deep deficit. The only way the government can raise money to deport immigrants is if they tax the hell out of people like you. And we know how Americans react to tax increases. So, even from middle-class American POV this bill is a dead bill.
Americans are always more than willing to spend. It is the taxing part that they haven’t quite figured out yet (that part’s a lot easier when, like China, you are a dictatorship, or when your country can’t be trusted to pay back its debt).
Americans will have no problem spending a few billion on increased border security. We don’t have to deport 12 million people, we just have to make it so they can’t live or work here, and that’s not nearly as expensive as you think.
Simply denying them certain benefits (like education) would deter them from staying and would cause many of them to pack up and leave. Fining businesses who hire them would be a cash-flow positive operation as well.
My arguments for wanting them gone: increased sprawl, harm to the environment, LA-style traffic jams, higher crime rates, increased poverty, increased use of welfare programs (see last weeks USA Today), and overcrowded and underfunded programs.
hahaha, this must be the MOST exciting thread in samudaya. Maybe because it reflects me at a personal level.
Anyway, I do have a solution for these beaurocrats. With several years of illegal experience I have attend knowledge. I have worked at a fast food place where an Indian Onwer would not hire anyone but Mexicans and “Desis” and we all know how indians like Nepali workers at gas stations.
Back to the point, the solution for all this mess and immigration control is: America needs more porverty and more uneducated punks!
Everyone who is little educated thinks that they are smart enough for fast food, so we take the job. And cleanning toilets are like traditions for hispanics, which even we nepali feel disgusted in doing.
So, if America has more proverty and more uneducated punks, then black people will be less smarter. Looking at the current situation the by gone history’s Black Slaves are now Too Smart to do any work. They live off welfare.
Therefore, we all know what will happened if this bill really becomes a law. The neighbourhood Mcdonald will be gone, gas stations closed, no roads, dirty pavements, and yes Bud LIght will be in bankruptcy.
MORE PROVERY LESS EDUCATION
And Everyone will be happy. America will be less crowded.
There is only one law in this country, only one obligation for its citizen. And that is their obligation to the law. There is no social obligation, there is no economic nor moral obligation. No wonder Americans had to do a hell a lot of soul-searching post 911.
You may not like me saying this - you almost certainly won’t - but we’re not as far apart as you think.
I DO believe that we have more than just an obligation to the law. We have a social and moral obligation to each other. Those firemen who ran into those burning buildings believed that, the soldiers and marines who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan believe that, and I do too. It is precisely the people who reject such obligations that I reject and detest. That includes all the corporate CEOs who want illegal immigration so that they can have their slave labor and it includes George W Bush, who rejected military service himself and only pays lip service to moral and social obligations.
Your problem is that you lump all white Americans into one big group, claiming that we are hypocrites and all. You accuse me of beliefs I’ve never had, and of opinions I do not hold. I never said I believe the earth is round - do I have to explicitly say that, too, or else you’ll accuse me of thinking it flat?
Again, you propose to practice the same tactic that your ancestor implemented few hundreds years ago — kill the source and they will die themselves. Your ancestors killed the Native’s staple-buffaloes; you propose to kill the immigrants staple-jobs.
Please do not justify your anti-immigrant stance on some rational ground. Here’s a solution for ‘My arguments for wanting them gone: increased sprawl…underfunded programs.’ Legalize them and make them part of your community. They are here anyway, start taxing them to fund programs that are underfunded. Use them in a way that is more beneficial to both the concerned parties, not only the immigrant-hating stupid and senseless rednecks. And they (rednecks like sensenbrenner) are exactly the ones to get your country in trouble, not the immigrants.
Therefore, we all know what will happened if this bill really becomes a law. The neighbourhood Mcdonald will be gone, gas stations closed, no roads, dirty pavements, and yes Bud LIght will be in bankruptcy.
McDonald’s, Budweiser, gas stations, roads, clean streets - I vividly recall having all of these things long before we were overrun by illegal immigrants.
F James Sensenbrenner, Jr.
PERSONAL
Born: June 14, 1943, in Chicago, Illinois
Education: B.A. degree, Political Science, Stanford University, 1965;
J.D. degree, University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1968
Married Cheryl Warren, (1977); Children: Frank, (1981), and Bob, (1984)
Permanent Residence: Menomonee Falls, Wisconsin
Occupation: Full-time legislator; formerly a practicing attorney
They were not OVERRUN by illegals. Your folks moved away from cities to suburbs to get away from ‘colored’ people who were already there before the influx of ‘other’ immigrants. Businesses needed people to run, hence employed whatever they could find — modern day slaves at ancient wages.
Stanford grad? Law degree? Doesn’t sound like a redneck to me.
And besides, what’s wrong with a redneck? “Redneck” is precisely the term used to describe white people who do the jobs that, you claim, Americans (especially white people) won’t do.
They were not OVERRUN by illegals. Your folks moved away from cities to suburbs to get away from ‘colored’ people who were already there before the influx of ‘other’ immigrants. Businesses needed people to run, hence employed whatever they could find — modern day slaves at ancient wages.
Gas stations, restaurants - these businesses are placed where people are, because they sell to people. White people with American accents have long worked such jobs. Maybe you weren’t in this country 20 years ago, but I was. And I remember very well when these jobs were done by Americans.
My America friend. Seriously do you live in America?
You talk like you live in this lavish house with Paris Hilton.
No, no you must not be an American.
“Americans will have no problem spending a few billion on increased border security.”
haha you are nuts. I have Gay friends that are Republicans because they dont want to be pay tax. And yes also American.
My white ancestors were hard-working farmers. They started in New England and moved into the Midwest. They didn’t use slaves.
I am telling you this guy is not American. You dont even know the U.S History. Slaves build this country. From White House to 16th presidency. If there were no slaves there wud be no America. They are the fundamental roots of America. Thats why White PPL shut up evenn if Black PPL ask unnessecary deamnds. AH! YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. Have you ever worked in color filled environment? You cant stop a bloody black guy from complaing abt a bloody white predijce and white guy thinking everything is in balance when it is not. This is too long of a story.
Whatever man!
I am back to my usual work.
Whats up man?
Thats one o seven.
Aight thax and take it easy.
Businesses needed people to run, hence employed whatever they could find — modern day slaves at ancient wages.
My point, exactly. I don’t want a country that exists on slave labor. I lost numerous relatives and ancestors in the war that ended slavery, and I don’t want to see it now.
Who cares, tell him to donate the proceeds of higher labor wages to his alma mater.
Yeah well, don’t remember too much. It’s just gonna get worse for you with Spanish getting introduced equally as American.
If white people with American accents long worked those jobs they have equally become lazier and fatter in last 30 years, perhaps you overlook that. How the hell can they runaround with their fat belly? Leave it to the lean, mean fighting chicano machine, gringo!
I am telling you this guy is not American. You dont even know the U.S History. Slaves build this country. From White House to 16th presidency. If there were no slaves there wud be no America.
They did? In 1861, when the US Civil War began, over 80% of the population was in non-slave states, as was nearly all of the manufacturing. The manufacturing industry was built and run entirely on free labor, not slave labor. Look it up, as they say.
In fact, it was slavery that held the SOuth back. As long as they had cheap human labor they had no incentive to mechanize or diversify their economy.
My point, exactly. I don’t want a country that exists on slave labor. I lost numerous relatives and ancestors in the war that ended slavery, and I don’t want to see it now.
Exactly my point: your arguments are solely based on your personal experience, without any LARGER economic or social analysis. Hence deserves no merit on larger immigration debate.
Maybe you weren’t in this country 20 years ago, but I was. And I remember very well when these jobs were done by Americans.
You sound like Sharon, a white women I know. It is 20 years after amigo. Everything changed.
Ah! we are we aruging with. hahaha, I just read in BBC that Dell To Double Indian Workforce. haha. It is useless to argue, when we see rejection to Americans by their own home grwon Companies. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4824416.stm
OMG! what the fk was the whole WAR ON?
SLAVERY? DUH!
Your problem is that you lump all white Americans into one big group, claiming that we are hypocrites and all.
Well you have me agree with you here. I dont throw you in that lump.
It is that Second Generation of Americans belonging to all color excpet black. Meaning even those hispanics whose parents come here from Mexico swiming, they bear children, and when they bear children, they grow up disliking the illegalites of America. Dont know why. I think they are taught to be Indipendent and to think only for themselves. Such as Soilders in Iraq that died, not the civilians. Such as 911 firefighters, not the root cause of the attacks. Such as innocent death of humans around latin america because of American diplomacy. Ofcourse they dont care abt that, because they are taught no to care abt that. The human emotions of themm are limited towards America only America. That is why it has succeded to stand itself as world’s biggest liar. Enron, Worldcom, Tycoo. haha they problem is with whole America man!
ok now I even dont know what i am saying so better be off.
bye guyss.
By the way, That is my personal gas station research.
And for my homies: Black People are just cool. They have figured out everything too well. They are the happiest people in Earth. Its true, beilive me!
No American may bar an immigrant from coming to this country. The people of this country don’t have that right.
If wealth were evenly distributed — and in a just world, this owes very little to how *resources* are distributed — if each child born had equal access to the material harvest of Earth, there would be no illegal immigrant.
Yes. For this reason alone — immigrants are here to take your wealth, and have no illusions about it — you should have the right to pick up a gun and eliminate your competition, you know, for resources. American, I would support that right of yours. If people like you form an organization that says: “illegal immigrants compete with us for limited resources, and they waste it all on garishly painted houses and tequila and fifteen children per household and such like shit, so we want to eliminate our competition with a contained sort of lethal violence,” if you put together something like that, I’ll hold a banner and march through downtown Walla Walla.
But, otherwise, I say that no American has the right to ask an immigrant, legal or otherwise, to not come here.
almost all these crroks on the blog…work their arse-off in us soil. they’d lick shoes to have an immigrant status granted …and y the fuss…yet they love to talk of US policies.
America is a great counrty and will b at least for our generation…i dont care what will follow afterwards….the Brits ruled the globe ….look at them bastards now…tiny country…struggling among the European giants…i suspect its economic demise in this generation.
America rules and it knows how to at the moment…im enjoying my own ride. A chevvyyyyyyyyyyyy
American,
I have to say that I really don’t understand your point at all.
You claim that your desire to cull the number of immigrants in this country is in a twisted way, meant to protect them so that they no longer work minimum wage jobs, but then, you also say that you remember a time when Americans worked certain jobs “before they were overrun by illegals” which really, is saying that if all illegals are shipped back to wherever it is that they came from, Americans will gladly till the farm from sun up to sun down; work for factories that have minimum safety precatutions (i.e. meat packing industry) and put their lives and limbs at risk for the hope of a job and a better future?
If that is indeed what you claim, an earlier point you made betrays your “true” thoughts: you said that Americans abandoned the jobs that most illegals perform because the pay rate dropped and safety mechanism dropped along with it. That can only mean that Americans will be happy to go bck to these low paying, high life risk jobs if security mechanism are improved so that they no longer have to work under the same conditions that were good enough for the illegal immigrants.
Let me go out on a limb here and say this, that is the logical progression of your arguments and that only leads me to believe that you place a greater weight on the life and safety of an American worker versus that of an illegal immigrant..so much for humanity!
Another point of clarification, South Asian farmers DID NOT just till SOME lands in Hawaii as you claim, Please take the time to read up on immigration history into the U.S. There is a thriving and lively population of South Asian farmers in the Central California Valley i.e “the bread basket of America” and a population of American children who are the descendants of South Asian-Mexican parentage.
One last point..before I end this debate that is getting nowhere because of the number of contradictions in successive posts :-)
American, you said “who the hell would want to go to Nepal”..apparently, plenty of your fellow citizens. All it takes is one trip to the detention centers in Nepal to see the number of tourists who are being held on grounds of having overstayed their visas.
Secondly, a large number of tourists have continued to remain in Nepal and engaged in “paper marriages” there in order to get citizenship and have opened a plethora of business- ranging from the legal to the illegal
The lake town of Pokhara has a whole village called “juwai tole” i.e. “son in law town” because of the residents of that village — all of them — every single one..went to Nepal as a tourist and stayed back.
Before you make sweeping claims like the one quoted above, make an effort to get some knowledge on the issue.
Man I thought this argument was over when I went to sleep last night. I guess I was wrong.
Anyway American the biggest problem with you thinking and argument is that it is so far from reality that it is not practical and it will never happen. Corporate America is not going to give up their profits and the American consumer is not going stop its binge spending on useless crap.
Instead of venting your frustration at the illegal immigrants you should direct your frustration at the upper and upper middle class Americans who reap the benefits from illegal immigrantion. You should vent your concern at your political leadership who get kickbacks and campaign contributions from the corportations that benefit from illegal immigration.
Kripa:
“All it takes is one trip to the detention centers in Nepal to see the number of tourists who are being held on grounds of having overstayed their visas.”
That might be pushing it too far. I don’t agree with American’s argument but you cannot claim that Americans and other Westerners are trying to illegally senak into Nepal and starting businesses etc. That is somewhat absurd. If there are there are a handful if that much. You know that you can buy a Nepali citizenship with like Rs. 5000… I don’t think extending a visa is that much of an issue in our country.
Kripa,
Thank you for the information on NSC, and also for being involved with starting it. We need more of these organizations.
And, to the “American” who claims that the whites built this country and not the immigrants from India, China, Nepal, or Mexico, here are some facts. As you told others, look it up - they can be found everywhere…
Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.
70 percent of immigrants arrive in prime working age, according to Alan Greenspan. Hence, US gets all the benefit without spending a dime on their education and upbringing.
Immigrants pay between $90—$140 billion in federal, state, and local taxes, and use $5 billion in public benefits.
Immigrant-owned businesses contribute $162 billion in taxes to the federal, state, and local governments.
Source: National Immigration Forum, 2003
Luna:
The arguments is with ILLEGAL immigrants.
Here are few intriguing question; I think if american can formulate a justifiable response, then he will have resloved the dilemma.
Is a government established by illigal immigrants allowed to classify any other group as ‘illigal’? Even if so, what merit does that legislation have?
Since your ancestors were illigal, and you’ve been here for centuries diminishing the resourse of this country and wasting tax dollars, shouldn’t you be the first to be deported?
If you don’t consider yourself illigal, how long does a person have to be here to be considered so?
If the ‘illigals’ rebelled, killed the existing population, took their land, and kept their kids as slaves, can we call them the next ‘great’ generation of Americans?
It’s said that history repeats itself. So if illigal immigrants five hundred years ago forged into an unwelcomed land and imperialized the natives, why can’t the same fate be expected of the present population? What goes around, comes around right?
So in that sense, I can understand your resistence towards the movement, but it’ll be a futile one.
As to the futility of banishing illegal immigrants:
The tide of illegal immigration is not only due to the corporate world, the U.S governemnt has a vested interest in continuing to have immigrants stream into the country-illegal or legal to help them wage these misguided police/army interventions.
It is no big secret that the current U.S armed forces is comprised largely of minorities and a good number of them are sons and daughters of illegal immigrants who are themselves illegal.
The U.S Armed forces provide a “fast track” to legalization for recruits and their families by promising them a “green card” for a certain number of years worth of service. At no time was this more apparent than in the early stages of the ongoing war in Iraq when a 20 year old soldier of illegal parents was killed. The Bush government offered the deceased recruit a posthomous “green card” which his father promptly refused.
All it takes is one look at the increasing number of War dead in Iraq and Afghanistan..a number of them were children of illegal immigrants who signed up hoping to better their lives and that of their parents.
The Education act that was touted a while back- the DREAM act made it possible for kids of illegal immigrants to go on to achieve higher education at colleges across the U.S- tuition fees paid for by courtesy of Uncle Sam if these kids would simply sign on the dotted line and sign up as new recruits.
Illegal immigration to the U.S and American’s desire of wanting to close the doors to supposedly conserve natural resources is a fight that is destined to fail. Too many of the interests that weild money and power survive on the blood, sweat and tears of illegal immigrants and that is a fact that opponents in the Congress and those that continue to wage the “minuteman” campaign need to understand.
Mr. Pandit,
At no time did I say that Americans and Westerners were “trying to sneak into Nepal”. All I said was that they may have gone to Nepal through legitimate means and either overstayed their visas or entered into fraudulent marriages in order to acquire citizenship.
The issues of “overstay” illegal immigrants, as I am sure you are aware, is also one of the many issues raised in the immigration reform debate as is true for the “fraudulent marriage” issues.
I was merely making an analogy between the immigration into the U.S and what I know to be the case in Nepal.
Why call it ‘fraudulent marriages’? Genuinely, American marriages generally last for only few years anyway.
“I was merely making an analogy between the immigration into the U.S and what I know to be the case in Nepal.”
Well again I don’t think there is an analogy. I don’t know who you know but I have to doubt that foreginers would need to make a fradulent marriage to get a Nepali citizenship. Last time I checked it cost about Rs.5000 …
Besides even if a foreginer over stayed in Nepal - how easy would it be to get an extention? I think its pretty damn easy even if you go the legal route. There is no point trying to argue with American on this particular issue. His arguments have other flaws which are easier to deconstruct and invalidate.
“almost all these crroks on the blog…work their arse-off in us soil. they’d lick shoes to have an immigrant status granted …and y the fuss…yet they love to talk of US policies.”
You are right. I love U.S and want my status to be permanent. If I am captured ,I would hate going back to Nepal.
For all these reasons are not solely personal but based on thousands of years stupidity and history that has followed. But lets not go there. We all have come to U.S.A because for one reason or another we hate the country we were in. The point here is of America itself and how does it function.
Budhai_Pandit,
Yes, the argument is about Illegal Immigration. But the larger picture is called: RESOURCES.
America is investing heavily in foreign grounds because Americans require higher standards of living. Vacations, sicktime..blah blahhhh… We all know that. And “American” wants them to go back to gas station and cleaning toilets. Ha!
America is unique. It will never be like Canada, or any European nation. That is just a far off dream.
So long guys and agree with me.
Less Education, More Proverty
Faithful America for Tommorrow.
“upper middle class”
non existent
LOL!
The U.S. has laws about how one may legally immigrate. You could have followed the law and this thread would be moot.
The fact that a bunch of criminals are discussing the fine points of how to violate the laws of a country you are not a legal citizen does not speak well of your intentions.
What other laws are you willing to violate?
Good one dude.
“criminal”… WTF?
Every responsible citizen has the right to (rather obligated to) question, challenge and even ‘violate’ any unjust laws that discriminate against a particular population.
If doing so will make us ‘criminal’, just like Rosa Parks or Dr. King, then we’ll gladly accept that label (Disclaimer: this is in no way suggesting that we even come close to the status and struggle faced by the entities mentioned).
Have you studied the ‘laws’ written for ‘legal immigration’? They are meant to disregard and exclude the exact population we are discussing here; hence the argument against criminalizing the current immigrants.
Why would you not afford the same rights and privileges enjoyed by the descendents of earlier illegal immigrants to the current batch of ‘illegal’ immigrants? The distinction here is based on what is considered legal immigration. The fact is most everyone here can be defined as ‘illegal’ immigrants. If you do not consider yourself so, please provide the documentation of lawful entry stamped by the native chief who previously occupied the land your ancestors invaded. Otherwise, what merit do these laws written by illegal immigrants have, and why should we follow them?
For those of you who pride themselves as “american”, don’t you think denying the right to “life, liberty and pursuit of happiness” is quite unamerican?
Grow up kid….learn to pee in the bottle.
America doesnt sell u ’ right to life liberty n pursuit of happiness’ when u do not learn to respect the law. and furthermore u can well choose these in ur OWN country.
immigrants built america.
immigrants(irish)built new york
(modern day)illegal immigrants r pain in the arse.
“even those who have green cards or citizenships—their reaction is “why bother” or “it’s not our country” or “I’m not a citizen, so I don’t have any right to speak…”
It is more or less this festering apathetic nature that most Nepalis appear to have that has turned Nepal into a fermenting cauldron of metaphorical Dante’s hell…When I encounter Americans who ask me, “What happened to Nepal? It was such a pristine and peaceful country…,” I feel this churning knot in the pit of my belly…”I was too young to appreciate.”
Just yesterday, I had a conversation with a relative of mine. He is thinking about returning to Nepal but his mother does not want him to. The usual: Nepal farkera ke garchhas?
In an ideal world, one can say, I will go back, contribute, do something, and all will be fine. And I guess, that’s the scariest part - subliminally, we all understand the uncertainty of “all will be fine.” Will it?
Going beyond “Will it?”…so what if it isn’t? So what if you lose the relative certainity of the materialistic “First World” countries. Can I sacrifice? Can you sacrifice? That’s the crux of the issue! And lo! it is easier to ignore than answer.
Somewhere along the postings, the “American” wrote that what they (the colonists) did to the Native Americans, he doesn’t want it to be a recurring thing for the present and future generations of Americans…and that’s why, he supports the bill.
Well, that’s all fair and good, and may be somewhat justified by the Darwinian logic of “survival of the fittest,” but what he has failed to take into consideration is that the world has never and will never exist without collective co-operation…especially with globalization. Well, terrorism or environmental issues didn’t appear out of nowhere!
I guess, for all of us, it is easier to remain locked inside the safety of our own self-justified box - blaming everything and everybody else - regardless of our nationality, ethnicity, and all those sanitized labels. Can we ever comprehend the magnitude of our apathy? May be that’s the start… Peace
I didn’t know grown ups peed in the bottle…
There’s a distinction between disrespecting the laws and questioning their validity. Citizens must challenge any unjust law; that’s why they have amendments and ratifications. You can also veto a bill so it never becomes the law, which was the purpose of the article above.
Immigrants were always considered ‘pain in the a*&@’ even in the country of immigrants. The English thought the same of others. The Irish were considered and treated as second class in New York. The same is applicable to the ‘modern day immigrants’ with respect to their ‘legal’ counterparts. Once they become a part of the status quo, most people forget where they come from and how they got here.
Educate yourself babu, it’ll liberate your enslaved mind.
god…this is another cowboy…now go n wipe ur arse….grown up can take aim n pee in the bottle…means grow up again.
r u telling me the law is unjust coz it doesnt give a legal status to an illegal immigrant??? what is that???y shud America accomodate everyone huh???
and u think u r the rebel with a jewel huh…have u got ur papers right huh?…i doubt …and out of the cage u r making noise here!!!
wipe it off punk! whatever education u had..
start off again.
That’d be a funny scene, watching bunch of grown ups trying to aim their wieners at a bottle… I’d think peeing in a bottle is more of a childish thing…
I’m not telling anyone anything about any law being just or not. I’m just reminding some ‘americans’ that we have the right to challenge the law and rectifiy it if necessary; which was meant to be the focus of the article, to prevent further criminalization of an already marginalized population.
The discussion tended towards rationalizing the law, hence the need to revisit American history to explain why it is hypocritical.
America does not need to accomodate everyone, not everyone wants to come here. We just needs to evaluate the inconsistencies in our policies and ensure that it does not trivialize the foundation this country was built upon. Of course, educated people would be aware of this.
Obscenities are expressions of an ignoratnt mind incapable of articulating itself properly. So stop watching Fox News and read a book.
huh?? huh?? huh??
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perhaps u guys should also do an article about how to get into the USA illegally, make false pretences to claim asylum and live happily on benefits……..
we want to get into the USA too!
and we promise we will buy a thousand new, hard-cover samrat upadhyay books once we get there
help us plz.
anyone can say anything.
but when it comes to illegal immigrants. this is the thing - the name already has an adj (or noun whatever) illegal.
besides Nepal is facing the same problem with more than 1 Lakh Bhutanese refugees and Tibetan illegal immigrants.
think man. don’t just make brute, brunt comments. think.
Ummm… the progression of this discussion is evidence that people are thinking. Maybe not on the same track, but thinking we are.
Of course, any thinking person would never simply accept a label and follow blindly; so the fact that someone has defined a group of people as ‘illegal’ is completely arbitrary. We think, therefore we question it’s validity.
If one cannot differentiate between Nepal’s immigrations trends, policies, and legislation with that of the United States, then attempting to make that distiction here is obsolete.
Earlier today, I was having a discussion with a friend of mine. One thing he brought up really struck me: Many hundreds of years ago, when colonists came to Africa, What did Africa have? What did Asia have? What did Middle-East have? Many hundreds of years ago, when the colonists left Europe, what did “they” have? Or what DIDN’T they have? Or why did they leave in the first place?
All the civil wars that we witness today, well, why did they happen? Not to justify what the Hutus did in Rwanda…but why did the identity of “Hutus” or “Tutsis” ever become such an ominous issue? Maybe…divide and rule???
Well, it ultimately all boils down to every individual being imminently responsible for his/her own actions. We, however, need to deconstruct the history to understand the present.
Nepal has its share of dark and bloody past. We may not have been directly colonized, but we have been through centuries of oppression of one kind or another. Are we inadvertently exhibiting the “nervous conditions” of the colonized?
Democracy and freedom comes from within… Peace
The Mimic Men,
Cut out the stale platitudes and your writing amounts to nuttin. go read naipaul some more and come back when you have an argument to ply. Fool.
XXC,
Well, I appreciate your comment. And I absolutely love Naipaul…may be I’ll take you up on your suggestion if he publishes any new books.
First and foremost, is it just my “stale platitudes” that’s bothering you? I would love to hear your perspective on the specifics…
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Dragging arses …xxc, TM Men…do u mimic donkeys too?
I have a shirt that says:
“Vigilante’s? Nah…
Just think of it as “Undocumented Border Patrol”.
An illegal immigrant is a criminal….period.
You guys crack me up with this stuff!!! REALLY….YOU DO!! LOL!!!
you paid $ for that shirt?
Yeah….it went to a good cause. The Minuteman Project. ;-)
in response to reality check
illegal immigrants mean people who are not supposed to be moving to certain place and you are. does it not?
or do you believe in some kind of romantic utopia where there is no boundary and all this earth shit is home.
i don’t give a shit about illegal immigrants in usa. but i do about illegal immigrants of nepal. i don’t care about illegal immigrants’ policy of usa. but i do of nepal.
and both has the words illegal and immigrants. that’s the relation. and that was the motive, the relation not the distinction.
Yo,
What ever happened to that ignorant “American” ghora dude with the fancy degrees? He made for some good comedy…
I supposed most “illegal” immigrants are horrible for him minus the ones that install his water cooler at the office and the ones that maintain his suburban white (no pun intended) picket fence…
Props to reality check.
Dear jpt (and other commenters) - This article was specifically addressing ‘illegal’ immigrants in the US. So the discussions are relevant only on that matter. If you don’t give a sh*t about that, then no need for you to agonize over this issue.
Furthermore, there is no relation between the US policies and Nepali policies on immigration. Nepal doesn’t claim to be or administer policies as a country built by immigrants for immigrants. The issue of refugees is completely seperate; they are not immigrants, therefore the polices to manage this dislocation cannot be based on just immigration laws. Historically and rightly so, the legislation to allow refugees to settle in any nation has been far more lenient.
It is not objective to allow your personal perspectives on this matter, based on what is happening in Nepal, to clout your judgement of the issues facing immigration in the US.
Yeah…..it’s gonna suck to have to mow my own lawn, not be able to bitch about ignorant foreigners not being able to understand me at the drive thru……but you know, it’ll be worth it to see the little scabs shot back across the border by a super sling-shot of somekind.
(suburban white picket fence……you’re stitch man. I also think your helmet’s a bit tight today. Loosen that strap. ;-)
[Elmer] fud, to say your ignorance is appalling would be redundant; but you’re trying a little to hard so I’m guessing your involvement in this discussion is purely for some masochistic pleasure.
But ridding of immigrants won’t be as easy as hunting wabbits. What’s even more abysmal is the contempt towards the poor, “border crossing” immigrants while the threat to white power is clearly from the educated and qualified professionals from abroad who are taking up higher status management and executive jobs. The inevitable role reversal, which will have you mowing lawns and manning drive thrus while ‘immigrants’ run corporations and sign your paycheck, can only be considered overdue poetic justice.
Of course, if you had the capability for such analysis, you wouldn’t be here with those views.
very good discussion.real problems needs to be dealt with practical solutions not sentimental approach.
sending illegalas back is impractical as well as inhuman. many have US born children.it will be a crime to separate children from parents.
the best way is to adopt a system which will allow people who are already here a legal status and make tough requirements so that future illegal influx will not be great. illegals are here because there is work and oppoptunity. why not give that opportunity legally? it is ridiculous to say that illegals take up jobs away from Americans.
potential difference causes electrons to flow. resource disparity causes humans to migrate. these are universal laws. no borders no laws can deter a resource deprived human from getting towards the resources
>r check, is the ‘ILLIGAL IMMIGRANT’ rather ‘Economic Migrant’ air stuck in ur wind pipe?
flush it man…a shot or two of JD wud do.
Thanks gandhi ji (am I the only one that sees the irony in that nomenclature), I was just about to go have a drink.
But my air pipes are fine, and I doubt this issue will be that easily swallowed by either party involved. I’m tempted to just disregard arbitrary comments, but this issue needs the attention.
Must say I’m baffled by the attitudes of fellow immigrants towards their counterparts.
dare u say ‘fellow’ …at least not me…i aint one.
goodluck man…have a good friday nite! drink away ur pain if u have any…illegal can never b legal…take it easy on urself dude
so long.
gandhi ji, so you’re not an immigrant or a descendant of one? Well then, I’m honored a native american has graced us with his/her presence and thought us significant enough to spare some advice.
How do you propose we (well you) get rid of all these invaders? How about process of elimination, the first ones that got here should be deported first, as they’ve had ample time to enjoy this land. Agreed? Cheers!
checkmate !
good job realitycheck.
i’m happy that Samudaya is a very good place for interesting debates. my deepest gratitude for Sarahana and the party involved.
Thankewws muchos
Immigration Rallies Draw Thousands Nationwide
LOS ANGELES — Thousands of people across the country protested Friday against legislation cracking down on illegal immigrants, with demonstrators in such cities as Los Angeles, Phoenix and Atlanta staging school walkouts, marches and work stoppages. more
Birbhadra said: sending illegalas back is impractical as well as inhuman. many have US born children.it will be a crime to separate children from parents.
One major flaw in your thinking. We have laws for a reason….and there are consequences for breaking them.
Laws are NOT “suggestions” for foreigners to take in. They are a clear line in the sand. If you cross that line, or break that law…you better be prepared for the consequences of doing such. If deportation is in order….then start packing.
As far as your resources and deprivation comment goes…..how many homeless do you have living in your home? How many poverty stricken people have you taken in and shared YOUR resouces with??
By your reasoning…..anyone who is “deprived”, can seek the “better life”, at the expense of whoever?
LOL! Go smoke another bowl and try again.
All you illegal Nepali go back to Nepal and wait to enter legally like all Vietnamese have to. Why do you think you deserve special treatment?
This would additionally open up job opportunities for currently unemployed Vietnamese legal immigrants.
this discussion was about broader immigration issues not specific to nepali.
what a joke comparing somebody’s home with a whole big country. if somebody comes into my house that is entirely different story from the illegal immigrants issues. please refrain from making irrelevant comparisions.
please specify what illegals have taken away from you?
Elmer ding dong Fud,
I agree with you about laws and shit, let’s practice it. Since the injuns are the moral owners of this here land and ALL of us transgressors and rule breakers, why don’t you set the good, law abiding citizen example and go back to whichever dumbfuck country your ancestors came from and I will gladly return to Nepal.
Either we ALL follow the law, the one that at one time considered kaleys one fourth human or some such shit, or we shut the fuck up about shipping only select groups immis.
Tim Binh,
As I am sure you are aware, the Vietnamese community has it’s own share of illegal immigrants so, perhaps, you ought to be working within your own community to “open up jobs for legal Vietnamese immigrants”.
Reality Check,
The attitude of immigrants towards their counterparts is not as baffling to me as it is to you. See, I think, the immigrants,those from the subcontinent in particular, have bought in to the whole “model minority” nonsense whereby only a certain class of immigrants are o.k.
The vitriol directed toward the “illegal immigrants” is as high pitched and as laced with unbridled contempt as is evident from previous posts because people feel that having illegal members within the community brings the stature of the entire community down. It’s the same moronic logic that is increasingly being applied by Nepalese towards the D.V Lotto winners who work in low paying jobs.
‘Moronic Logic’…may b its urs! and may b its only u who applies it across.
I bet a lotto winner sleeps tight at night than our ILLEGAL frens. You cud have megabucks…still doesnt buy u LEGAL status.
Get legal or get back home. Its a felony…when u r ILLEGAL.
Gandhi,
What exactly do you have against “illegal immigrants”?
If it is purely that they engaged in activity that is a felony, then the laundry list of all other actions that are also felonies is a rather long one- would you then advocate that anyone who commits any act that is considered a felony ought to be deported?
Laws are laws. For instance — it is illegal to invade a country that hasn’t been hostile towards your country.
It is illegal for a nation to sponsor genocide in another nation, or within its own borders.
It is illegal for a nation to defy treaties to which it is a party solely in order to protect its business interest.
It is illegal for a nation to forcibly intern its own population.
It is illegal for a nation to forcibly evict another nation solely for the purpose of mining the latter’s lands for gold.
It is illegal for a nation to detain foreign nationals indefinately without allowing them fair trials.
A wrong persists until it is righted through restitution. A nation’s wrong lives in perpetuity: Japan and Germany. America. Indo-Pak butchery. China in Tibet. Bhutanese King.
“Guest Workers.” Bullshit.
It might take very long, but it is inevitable that wealth will be better distributed, all over the world. The white man improved the gun-machine and found better ways to dig wealth out of the earth, tangibles like gold and diamond, not sappy intangibles like the ecology.
Thank you, White American Male, for killing off the injuns. It took you a long time, you know, immigrating all the way from Africa, killing or being killed along the way, but you reached here and cut forests and mountains and killed buffalos for sport. But, now, wealth will be better distributed than it is at present. It will be the illegal immigrants who will make that happen.
i have nothing against ‘illegal immigrants’ i know n see many faces as i write. but u cannot just create a smokescreen and demand/make noise to come clean. all the shitheads know that if and IF America wants …its a piece of cake and ppl will be galloping headless.
an ‘illegal immigrant’ is so of her/his own making. learn to live with it…its a nuisance to try and defy the LAW’s making. one, my good fren is apt bout it…lives as an ‘illegal immigrant’ and now will live with subject to felony. he aint bothered. so learn to live of ur own making…and learn to respect too.
and this kripa thing sucks.
Birbhadra :
please specify what illegals have taken away from you?
Well….lets see. In my state alone, over 2 BILLION dollars in taxes PAID by legal residents has gone to educating illegals and their offspring.
That’s just ONE state, and just EDUCATION numbers.
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xxc:
What a stupid argument. Are you in middle school or what?
This land is owned by the United States of America. It doesn’t matter who the previous inhabitants were. We own it now.
What’s next….tracing back ancestor’s to pre ice-age to REALLY get proper owners???
It doesn’t matter where the illegals are from…..they need to get the fuck out.
How’s that??
There’s one set of laws outlined by our Constitution in this country. You either abide to those laws or suffer the consequences.
kripa has been making some clear and strong points, whereas you have been mumbling incoherently so-called gandhi. you suck.
who is this moron whose face looks like he’s been sucking a big black dcik ???
go home n plough ur barren land…what follows will let u die in peace.
illlegal immigrants contribute much more to the US economy than 2 billion dollars you are crying about. anyways did that hurt your child’s education? i don’t think so. if it were not spent for the education where do you think the money would have been used? US government is cutting down on welfares and spending money on *other* stuff. it’s not like you are going to get any out of the income tax you paid. Uncle Sam is going to take certain percent out from our pocket anyways regardless of where the money goes. so stop crying.illegals can’t get college scholarships. high school education can only give you a crappy job which *Americans* don’t want anyways.
we need manpower so legalizing illegals is a smart thing
“This land is owned by the United States of America. It doesn’t matter who the previous inhabitants were. We own it now.”
Elmer ding dong Fud,
No, I is in second grade actually, far below your fifth grade. Since moral argumments don’t mean shit to you, responding in kind to your immoral fuck you, here’s a fine fuck u of my own …
This land is owned by the United States of America. It doesn’t matter who the previous inhabitants were. We own it now. And we are the immigrants, legal and illegal. what you fuckwads did to the Injuns, we intend to do to you. So be afraid, be very afraid boyo cuz we ain’t going nowhere soon and we got nothing to lose.
The 500,000 you saw in LA was a polite warning. If V for Vendetta is what you’re looking for, bring it on mofo …
And don’t forget to convey my respects to Pete Wilson.
Mr. Gandhi,
You said, “You cud have megabucks…still doesnt buy u LEGAL status”..Yes it does..it’s called an investor visa!..the minute you are able to show that you have half a million to invest in the suburbs and a million in urban areas, this Capitalist Society is only too happy to allow you to remain here in peace and quiet.
This debate on immigration reform is as much about legality as it is about the inequality of privilege bestowed on those with the power of “The Green” on their side.
ok, very good indeed!
so,u better start working ur arse off and make half a million or so if u can…or else as i said before to some other moron…go back home n plough ur own field…what follows will let u die in peace.
“moron”..rather rich comming from you I dare say!
Since you seem to be quite the pro at ploughing fields, I’m sure you won’t sweat much when the immigrants that currently do the job are sent back home!I presume you plan to forsake the comforts you currently enjoy for the plough and pleasures of raking mud, cattle poop and all that comes with hard labour in the fields!
While you’re at it, perhaps you ought to give a lesson or two on “working your arse off” to the half a million folks that poured into the streets of L.A and other cities…a majority of whom already work 12-16 hour days! I’m sure that lesson would be much appreciated from these worthless, lazy immigrants!
The audacity of mind numbing logic!
“moron”..rather rich comming from you I dare say!
Since you seem to be quite the pro at ploughing fields, I’m sure you won’t sweat much when the immigrants that currently do the job are sent back home!I presume you plan to forsake the comforts you currently enjoy for the plough and pleasures of raking mud, cattle poop and all that comes with hard labour in the fields!
While you’re at it, perhaps you ought to give a lesson or two on “working your arse off” to the half a million folks that poured into the streets of L.A and other cities…a majority of whom already work 12-16 hour days! I’m sure that lesson would be much appreciated by these worthless, lazy immigrants!
The audacity of mind numbing logic!
Well said Kripalu
ahoy!
logic????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wont spare a dime on it. suckers!
gandhiji,
I is on your side, skinny dude. Us elementary kids need to stick together — yes, that includes Elmer ding dong Fud as well. Unlike the adults in this thread, your logic, coherence and writing is flawless, the punctuation especially is a thing of beauty, indicative of a very sophisticated mind. Bravo!
Oh constipated mahatmaji, please grace us with more such gems even though we are not deserving.
I discovered America.
I own this land.
I, along with few of my friends, are writing a ‘constituition’ that says a certain of you are illigally occupying ‘my’ land.
We will be sending you deportation notices soon. All of you who respect the laws should deport yourselves (we mean return to your rightful country) hence saving us the economic burden of having to accomodate your departure.
A quick ammendment to the constitution, individuals like gandhi will first be required to change their name, punished for blasphemy and contempt towards a saint, and sentenced to plow the deserts of Nevada.
We will soon be adding a 51st state.
Our most immediate agenda is to invade europe as they are a threat to our prosperity (we mean national security).
USA! USA! USA!
“What’s next….tracing back ancestor’s to pre ice-age to REALLY get proper owners???”
Mr. Fud,
It’s not a matter of tracing back who owns what, but rather, it is an effort to transcend beyond the “samsaric” concept of property and ownership. Enough rhetorical jargons - “illegal” is “illegal,” and most Americans have an “illegal” immigrant relative somewhere in their lost or misplaced family history. Remember, your grand uncle Jim was a stowaway!
Everybody here is wise enough, i believe, to understand that both sides have valid justifications behind their stance. Yes, the laws are being ignored every day and the “law-abiding” citizens are concerned about it, and rightly so. But on the other hand, it is not a morally reprehensible act to disregard man-made laws in order to provide sustenance for your children. Hey! these so called “illegal immigrants” ARE NOT committing any heinous crimes by working 18-hours a day. Mr. Fud - you are, however, advocating one: “it’ll be worth it to see the little scabs shot back across the border by a super sling-shot of somekind.” C’mon!
Do you think all your problems would be resolved if the “illegal immigrants” are sent back to “where they come from”? Build a wall around America, isolate yourself, screw diplomacy…and you’ll live happily ever after. Man, that’s very pragmatic, kudos to you.
No body is advocating a utopian world without boundaries. But once in a while, a little respect and compassion goes a long way. Peace
Now there’s a real Merkin Patriot!
Aey gandhi, put away those marbles, looks like we is in trouble real bad.
RealityCheck as Merkin Patriot wuz bwot I meant, but this Mimic Men, despite his mimicked username, turns out to be an adult as well.
Aey gandhi and Elmer ding dong Fud, what is us chirren to do? Time to put away our dundi biyo now.
let the MMen be. they mimic everything…let their sore arse be.
there shall come more to mimic when the felony falls…
no more discussion needed now
WASHINGTON - The Senate Judiciary Committee approved sweeping election-year legislation Monday that clears the way for 11 million illegal aliens to seek U.S. citizenship, a victory for demonstrators who had spilled into the streets by the hundreds of thousands demanding better treatment for immigrants.
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American, you say you want jobs to be filled by real americans. My family was apart of an Indian tribe in the San Fernando Valley when the basques came and settled we intermarried and had great big farms, made lots of money in mines and what not. Then the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo hit, my family lost all of their land in California and became squatters on their ancestors land. Depression…My family was stolen from their homes and deported to Mexico. My family then came back illegaly in the 1960’s, do they have a right to be here? To work? This was their land but now they’re illegal aliens in a land their forefathers cultivated and lived on for generations? Came from Massachusetts, then mid-west huh? Where were you from before that? So it should be, enter the country while you can and slam the door behind you? You’re so worried about your white picket fence that you forget about the people starving in other countries…do you really need that SUV? Lets talk about NAFTA…Ciudad Juarez? Heard of it? Or the Maquiladoras in Mexico, a system that keeps Mexicans in Mexico in poverty. Children born without brains, toxic water flowing by homes, women working without ventilation in small quarters without a break. Making so little money they can’t survive. Let’s talk about the thousands of women in Ciudad Juarez who have fallen victim to the organ trafficers sending those necessary parts to the U.S., lets talk about the people who drink coke instead of water because the water is so contaminated. Know something about other people, have compassion, these people love their country and would do anything to stay. Most of these people are indigenous Mexicans, should we blame the spanish for their fate? In terms of Americans working in immigrant dominated fields…why dont they? It’s illegal for businesses to discrimminate if people really want the jobs they can fight for them, look at Hooters and Hot Dog on a Stick. If you want immigration to stop why dont you push for america to take a better world stand.
Something to share:
“When you have 11 million people outside the legal regime that’s a fundamentally dysfunctional system. — Chung-Wha Hong, executive director, New York Immigration Coalition.
28% of California’s population, and a third of its workforce, is made up of immigrants. — Census 2005
Saturday’s march drew more people than any anti-Vietnam protest in the city had done. — Los Angeles Times
The largest demonstration in the history of California:
Over 1 Million Protest in Los Angeles for Immigrant Rights!
A.N.S.W.E.R.’s banner reads:
Full Rights for Immigrants! Legalization Now!
SATURDAY, MARCH 25 ,
Today in downtown Los Angeles, over 1 million people demonstrated in support of immigrant rights. This was the largest demonstration in the history of California. March organizers announced from the stage that the crowd was over 1 million. Univision and other Spanish-language television reported that up to 2 million people marched. The Los Angeles Times, reflecting police estimates, gave the march 500,000 - police estimates have been trying to minimize pro-immigrant rights demonstration for the last few weeks.
Today’s demonstration was the largest of many immigrant rights demonstrations that have taken place this month. It is an uprising from the people against the reactionary Sensenbrenner Bill that passed in the House of Representatives. The bill criminalizes immigrants and those who support them. The demonstrations began with 50,000 in Washington DC on March 7, 500,000 in Chicago on March 10 (the largest demonstration ever in Chicago history), and tens of thousands more in the last week in Milwaukee, Phoenix, Atlanta and other cities. In build up for today’s demonstrations, thousands of high school students walked out of class and marched yesterday in Los Angeles. Yesterday in Georgia, tens of thousands of immigrant workers refused to show up at their jobs in a work stoppage protesting regressive legislation passed by the Georgia State Legislature. These demonstrations reflect a tremendous upsurge in the immigrant community.
The A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition provided logistical support and mobilized for today’s demonstration in Los Angeles. Thousands of A.N.S.W.E.R.’s yellow and black placards reading “AmnistÃa, Full Rights for All Immigrants” were held throughout the march. A.N.S.W.E.R. also organized a major contingent in the march.
The rally was co-chaired by Juan José Gutiérrez, Director of Latino Movement USA, a member of the A.N.S.W.E.R. LA Steering Committee; Javier RodrÃguez, a noted immigrant rights activist; and Jesse DÃaz, a UC-Riverside professor who helped initiate the march. Speakers included Raúl Murillo and Gloria Saucedo of Hermandad Mexicana Nacional; Arturo RodrÃguez, President of the United Farm Workers; Korean and Haitian community leaders; and Gloria La Riva and Preston Wood of the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition.
A.N.S.W.E.R. distributed
thousands of these signs.
At the rally, the speakers said, “We are people of dignity and we demand respect. This is the beginning of a movement that is going to call for a national work stoppage.”
“The racist politicians thought they could step on us with their racist legislation but they have awakened the immigrant giant and they will feel our strength when we stop work.”
“U.S. corporations are robbing Mexico of its resources and forcing people to come as immigrants for their survival. U.S. Out of Iraq! Justice for all workers!”
Critical to the turnout was the mobilization night and day for over a week of famous Latino radio announcers from every Spanish-language station, including PiolÃn el Cucuy. The organizers announced a national meeting on April 8 in Dallas, Texas of all the Latino immigrant rights leaders in the country to strategize for a national work stoppage in late May under the banner “A Day Without An Immigrant.”
The A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition believes that the struggle for immigrant rights, workers’ rights and the fight against racism at home must be part and parcel of the struggle against war and imperialism. In the coming days and weeks, A.N.S.W.E.R. organizers, volunteers and activists will continue to participate in all levels of the mass movement in defense of immigrant rights and the defeat of the Sensenbrenner Bill. To learn how you can join with other A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition organizers and volunteers, email us at info@internationalanswer.org.
I read through this conversation and it makes me sick. I am married to a Nepali and I am also 150% American born. I know the situation with Nepal, India and Asian cultures. You Nepali people are wrong. Nepal is one of the worst countries to live in when it comes to democracy, freedom, prosperity and human rights, and other things I won’t mention at this time. You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the situation in America. Everything that has been posted here by Nepali’s is not based on facts, it is based on what you have read in books and the media. You don’t know the truth. You are so in DENIAL about what goes on here in America and even in your own culture. The only reason your people need to be here in America is so that you can ESCAPE from your country because you know it is F’d UP!! I also know that Nepali people only care about their social status by which caste they are in, how much $$ they have, how big their house is, and what kind of motor bike do you drive??? You have lost your own culture because you guys are too busy trying to be WHAT YOU THINK is American, but you don’t really have a clue!! My husband does not support his own country because of all the BS that goes on there. Nepal used to be a wonderful place and I USED to be proud of this culture…but not any longer. Your culture has succumbed to the same corruption, greed and violence that everyone has to face…get off your high horses!!! You are NOT better than us, you are not RIGHT, you are poor and uneducated. Your education came from the British. If you guys were truly smart, you would see that there are 2 sides to every story and nothing is perfect in neither Nepal or America. Frankly, I don’t want my country to end up like Nepal. Your country is polluted with trash. You cannot even drink the water there. Every Nepali I know who goes back to their homeland gets extremely sick for the first week they arrive back home. America is still the Beautiful and I will fight so it remains that way. Don’t kid yourselves into thinking that immigrants built America…they didn’t, my forefather’s and ancestors build America and the FREE society that we have…Immigrants just want a piece of the American Pie. You really wouldn’t know how to live a TRUE American life because you don’t know how to live in peace, have prosperity, and share between your brother’s and sisters and fellow man..you’re too busy with your STUPID F’D UP CASTE SYSTEM that is really outdated and talk about racism.
“As Republicans we need to recognize that we need foreign workers. That we need them now and that we’re going to need them in the future. We’re either gonna have them here legally or illegally. We have to make it possible for them to get here legally.” — Arizona Rep Jeff Flake.
Immigrants are still building this country.
By the way, a very small part of Nepal can boast of big houses and and expensive motorbikes. If we compare to its counterpart in the United States, perhaps this would be Holywood or something. Houses with 200 rooms where no one even lives, actors and moguls who own airplanes and dozens of cars, etc. I believe America is more often associated with capitalism, not Nepal.
As for castes, yes America doesn’t have its. But apparently Mexicans and Nepalis are the others, the more barbaric, the less civilized. So how is that different from having a spelled-out system, in essence?
Look at the statistics of resources used by the Nepali population versus that used by the American population. Look at the push from America to “liberalize” air traffic that would tremendously challenge environment concerns. Look at the amount of waste that is dumped by America.
Like I said, nothing is perfect…..especially when you start blending people together. IF I were to come to your country and try to be myself…it would NEVER BE accepted, NEVER!! It’s not about who can throw the most punches on what is right and what is wrong. The world is in a critical state, we are ALL responsible for it. I can sit here all day long and tell you what is wrong with everything and I can sit here all day and tell you what is right and some possible solutions. The question is are you going listen or do you want to still argue about what is wrong?? At least in America when this country was founded, there were some of us that had good intentions in mind and we ALL including the immigrants have eaten the fruits of those good intentions. Now we have to deal with the pigs. Don’t worry Nepal and India, you’re going through what our country went through 30 years ago…you’re gonna have to eat crow pretty soon…you should be thankful to your King, he’s the only one who has an insight about what could and will happen…but you all are too stupid and greedy, you only know about short term enjoyments and gains…you don’t see way into the future…you never have cause you never lived responsibly, you had a King do everything for you…so don’t toot your horns thinking you have a mind to think for yourself, cause you are in your infancy when it comes to democratic and political issues.
Chicana,
For the record, I love the Mexican people and I love the spirit of Mexico. Unfortunately, It is all screwed up. All Governements everywhere, all over the world are screwed up. It is a failing system because it is not run by the people any longer and there is no one looking out for the interest of the people!!! It is about corporate BS, money, power and greed - that’s all - they are the PIGS. We are all pawns in their games. Our leaders fell asleep and allowed them to operate and control us because we failed to remain independent. When you start depending on others & the government for everything, then you loose everything, there is no freedom anymore.
I didn’t see you mention a solution. I re-read your posts, I didn’t see one.
Gringo ni,
‘I am married to a Nepali and I am also 150% American born.’
Damn unlucky guy. Another prime instance of a typical dumb-ass American. Cannot even do a simple math.
Caste system? Yeah, we are working on it. We plan to cross-breed the hell out of ourselves until there’s only one caste left — the super Nepali caste. Hence, ‘everybodybreed.com’.
Denial? No madam, we are quite aware of our position. Hence we lay the foundation for the ‘liberation of oppressed masses, all over the world’. The background quite conveniently being Marxism, Leninism and Maoism. Hehe, the reds are coming!
Escape? On the contrary, this is like jail to us — your white picket fence and gluttonous consumption. We are only here to take your wealth, not to destroy your lifestyle.
Culture? There is NO American culture other than a Native Indian one. Hence you go all over the world destroying others who have theirs, who built their own before your forefathers did. You have recently looted and destroyed the Mesopatamian culture to the ground.
Democracy, freedom? You preach where you profit. Money drives your government’s policy, arrogance and stupidity drives your morality.
Free society? Sure, as long as you are white. The recent Katarina debacle shamelessly exposed your institutionalized racism like an open theater in front of the whole world. At least we accept we have caste problem, you on the other hand are in DENIAL about your own systematic racism.
Your grandfathers built this country? Sure, they brought slaves from Africa, Asia and Latin America to raise your building and lay your railroads, grow tobaccos and sugarcane. Sure your forefathers built this country on the grave of pre-existent Americans, the TRUE Americans.
Again, recap, to paraphrase a friend, ‘we are here only to take your wealth, not to destroy your Britney Spears culture’. Once we have enough, we will leave.
Ends here. (don’t look for more)
Mystic what did you call yourself?? a hacker..
Your’re a Mystic Jerk…nothing more. Like I said, money isn’t everything and once you’ve spent it all and we close our borders, then what ya gonna do then?? You’re not doing anything for your future and your’re not even contributing to a future. I never said that I was supportive of governments and the issues at hand. But, I do however keep my side of the street clean and I do what I can with what I have. At least I’m not a selfish pig like you and think only about stealing other’s wealth.
Someone mentioned me not posting a solution?? I wouldn’t dare, because it’s all gone to hell and the only way this will ever be right is when Shiva Destroy’s the Earth, then we’ll just get to do it all over again. Care to make the same mistakes next time…did you learn anything Mystichacker???
To add to this
Kudos to Ms. Ranjit and Adhikaar for the work that they do. Since she mentioned the organization in Los Angeles, I wanted to provide additional information so people have acces to it, if need be.
The group is called Nepal Sewa Center (NSC)and it was founded by first generation Nepali immigrants (I am very proud to have been one of them).
The office is based in the heart of Artesia, in an area referred to as “little India”.
NSC is a registered non-profit and provide a plethora of services ranging from assistance on immigration issues to resproductive helath education/access for Nepali women; referral to free or low cost health insurance for low income families; assistance to find jobs etc.
For further information or support, please contact:
Kiran Upadhyay, Executive Director at
Nepal Sewa Center
(562)860 7193 nepalsewacenter@comcast.net